In this week's episode Phil and Jenny are joined by Marcus Jones, Director of the Wesley Foundation at the University of Texas at Arlington. After referencing this concept in many episodes, Phil and Jenny invited Marcus to discuss this idea of Transcend and Include. They reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the various faith traditions they have been a part of, while also emphasizing the importance of deep spirituality and spiritual disciplines in their lives. Marcus shares how he incorporates grace into his growth process and how he engages in conversational scripture reading to challenge and dismantle preconceived notions. They also discuss the future of the church and the need for lay-driven ministry. 

References from this episode:

• Sankofa
• Integral Theory by Ken Wilber
• Dancing in the Darkness: Spiritual Lessons for Thriving in Turbulent Times by Otis Moss III
• Black Liturgies: Prayers, Poems, and Meditations for Staying Human by Cole Arthur Riley
• Hope is Here!: Spiritual Practices for Pursuing Justice and Beloved Community by Luther E. Smith

You can find Marcus:

• Marcu's blog Informed Scholar
• on social @marcus.m.jones

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
00:27 Transcendent Include
04:24 Faith Background and Spiritual Formation
06:37 Youth Ministry and Sneakers as a Ministry
09:21 Transition to United Methodist Church
10:20 Progressive Theological Development
12:03 Themes of Social Justice and Missionary Baptist Background
12:25 Moving from Conservative Theology to Liberal, Progressive, and Centered
15:40 Clothing Ideas and Concepts in Grace
17:46 Learning from the Past and Mentors
20:00 Purity Culture and Guilt
20:27 Moving Past Shame
20:45 Prayer and Spiritual Disciplines
25:39 Reading Scripture Formationally
30:57 The Future of the Church
33:16 Expanding Worldview
36:32 Eliminating Poverty