Welcome to Talk Heathen! In today’s episode of the show our host Jimmy Jr. is joined by returning guest host Tom Henson.

Our first caller Phil in the Lone Star State to discuss the Plastic Reindeer Rule, a Supreme Court Case which ruled, yes you can have a nativity scene on public property, but must display other decor of the holiday season. So elves, reindeers, Santa, and extend it also to other religious symbiology associated with their holiday traditions as well. This led into further debate on the Establishment Clause and the nuances wherein.

Sergei gives our hosts a call from Canada, an atheist who wants to discuss how humanism works with an objective morality system. Now, since morality is subjective doesn’t it mean, we humans choose our morality? Jimmy and Tom explain how secular humanism can fit into objective morality as it could be the closest we can get to an objective moral perspective.

Truth666 in Maryland calls to comment on Phil’s repeat calls to the show. Phil claims he is an atheist, but Truth666 doesn’t believe an atheist could even want to go to a church.. Phil had explained his church was progressive and gave him community and support. Truth 666 still expresses her skepticism is due to doctrine and scared for the hatred that may lay below the sunny disposition.

Joshua from South Carolina is our third caller to a possible rise of neo-natalism in atheist circles. Jimmy and Tom highlight the position of a lot of atheists to let people choose what they want to do for their lives as long as they aren’t causing harm to others or themselves.