Growing and Connecting- Dr. Brown Johnson and Chaplain Cleaver join us in the podcast to discuss how spirit and soul can be an important part of healing from chronic pain. We discuss how this can be part of the clinical visit or even support providers in their work. We discuss how moral injury can be a factor in chronic pain and suffering and how this can be addressed and discussed. Often injuries in war are associated with seeing and doing things that go against our beliefs or moral code. It can be hard to release the pain without addressing shame and guilt and forgiveness. These are practices that can be cultivated and worked on with mental health providers, chaplains, and other spiritual advisors.