Public discourse about “justice” over the past decade or two has been anything but coherent. Focused on politics, lacking nuance, and devoid of any philosophical foundation, our conversations have led nowhere. Happily, a new addition to the conversation has arrived in the form of Reforming Criminal Justice: A Christian Proposal, by Matthew Martens, a DC attorney and former prosecutor. Martens sees the need for a deeper discourse on criminal justice in America, and his book brings years of experience inside the system to the discussion.

In this episode of Mindset, Martens and host Mike Schutt unpack some of the themes of the book as they explore this complex and often divisive subject.