Andi chats with Jon Anhold (@perlguy9) from Rosetta and Aaron Volkmann (@AaronvOlk) from Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute – both DevOps Advocates – after they participate in a DevOps Panel discussion at a Dynatrace event in Cleveland, OH. Their teams help their customers transform towards a new “DevOpsy” way to develop, test, deploy and run software. In the interview they reflected on what type of transformation their customers go through, how to start, where they struggle and how important monitoring and metrics are in that process.