Whether quantum computers are around the corner or not, the message is clear: the time for post-quantum cryptography is coming fast. Carl and Richard talk to Michael Howard about Microsoft's efforts to make post-quantum cryptography available to everyone by 2029. Howard discusses the quantum computing and cryptography issue, specifically the ability of quantum computers to run Shor's algorithm quickly enough to break RSA encryption. While it isn't possible just yet, the harvest-and-decrypt-later concerns are real. And the solution is pretty straightforward- move to TLS 1.3, and be prepared for a wave of changing encryption algorithms as they roll out and are found wanting. A crazy time is coming soon!