Get ready for the most controversial episode yet! And one that many people might need today. 

My wife Rachel and I dive deep into the reality of our ever-evolving faith as we navigate through life. While being members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we are also strong advocates for the safe and intentional use of plant medicine. Rather than focus on the scientific studies of psychedelics, we share from the lens of our experience: that these are spiritual substances. 

We honor the Indigenous traditions that steward these medicines and credit how their knowledge is needed in today's world. We answer some questions of the soul around how these additional tools could fit into a westernized religious paradigm. As we discuss our own journey, we hope that some of it may resonate with people that might be feeling called to these aids for themselves or for others.

This episode is to begin the discussion! Rachel and I share openly solely to help others that might feel like nothing else is working for them to feel better. We love you. God loves you. And He has given us many paths that lead to the one Truth. Enjoy!

 The 🔑 Takeaways: 

0:00 Intro
2:09 The Goal in this Episode 
4:00 Our Story of Finding Psychedelics 
6:50 Years of Therapy in a Few Hours
9:06 Why talk about the Spirituality of this Medicine? Why not just stick to the Science behind it? 
13:25 These are Spiritual Substances 
17:05 Taking Adderall vs Microdosing Mushrooms
19:56 Does this Replace your Relationship with God? 
24:00 Seeking Help is Okay
27:15 The Bronze Serpent vs The Golden Calf
32:45 Is this a Shortcut to God?
37:37 Using Tools, But Not Relying on Them
40:40 The Framework: Intention, Experience, Integration
43:37 Wrestling with Doubts, Fears, and the Ego 
46:46 "We learn by Study and also by Faith" 
49:30 Importance of Integration
54:17 Is Plant Medicine For You?
57:35 Unpacking the Suitcase Analogy 
1:05:30 "All things which come of the Earth are made for the benefit and use of man" (D&C 59:18)