Step into the space where science meets the supernatural.
In this episode, Joe sits down with Liz Cormell—paranormal investigator, medium, scientist, and host of Phantasm Tours in England, as well as the author of Pagan Shadows in Christianity.
Liz brings a rare perspective to the world of the unexplained, blending analytical thinking with deeply personal spiritual experiences.
Together, we explore how she balances skepticism and belief, what it’s like to investigate haunted locations while being sensitive to the energies around her, and how her scientific background shapes the way she approaches the paranormal.
Liz also dives into the hidden layers of religious history, discussing the lingering influence of pagan traditions within Christianity and what that means for how we understand faith today.
This conversation moves beyond ghost stories—into the nature of consciousness, belief, and the thin veil between worlds.
If you’ve ever wondered whether science and the supernatural are truly at odds… this episode might change your mind.

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