Leslie is re-joined by Bob Dougherty, the intelligence and counter intelligence director at Counter-Terrorism Watch Inc., a US defense contracting firm specializing in intelligence, counter-terrorism, and special operations training.

They discuss ISIS burning a Jordanian pilot alive, and Jordan vowing an 'earth shaking response.' This includes Jordan saying they would swiftly execute several militants in retaliation, including an Iraqi woman whom Jordan had sought to swap for the pilot taken captive after his plane crashed in Syria in December.

They also discuss reports that the United States is now considering supplying arms to Ukraine in the fight against Russian separatists, and whether that is a good idea.