Ep#20
Today we are joined once again by Hanna as she just finished a course about leadership. She leads the conversation so well, that at some point it felt a bit like we swapped seats for this episode.
This episode looks at different angles of leadership; what makes a good leader? Very quickly we noticed that it is a wide topic and the lines get pretty blurred, can we talk in the context of a leader necessarily speak about ‘good and bad’? As always there are so many grey areas in between, and in our opinion a good leader should be closely linked to a person with good morals, however there are lots of leaders in power that don’t align with certain moral values. So these points have to be defined first before finding a common ground to talk about leadership. It is easy to find ourselves in an echo chamber, but can we ignore the other side of leaders and leadership entirely?
Then also looking at it from a bit of a closer perspective, Steve and I only know about how to work as a team and guide a team from years of hands on experience, so Hanna brings the element of formal learning to the table.

What we talked about:
- What is the definition of a leader?
- What should the goals of our society be?
- How can we change the narrative? — rethinking the role of a leader
- Should we maybe speak of good role models rather than leaders?
- Being in a role of power doesn’t make you a good leader
- A key point to a good leader is trust, trusting your team and not micro-managing every single step, so sharing your power and being clear about communicating with the team so they know that they have the right to go ahead with certain decisions on their own— enable your team being one of the key words here
- Does it really just take the one leader on the top?