On today's episode, Martin Devlin goes hard at the rest and rotation protocols for All Blacks players in Super Rugby Pacific. As a result of the policy, the Hurricanes are forced to bench all their New Zealand internationals - including Ardie Savea and Jordie Barrett - for this weekend's clash with the table-topping Chiefs. Independent rugby writer Jamie Wall joins Martin to share his thoughts.

Plus, Martin chats to The Roar's Christy Doran about a new documentary on Israel Folau's rise and fall from rugby, the looming end of the big three era in men's tennis with longtime reporter Graeme Agars, and the always entertaining Greg Martin about rugby, league, and everything else middle-aged men care about.