The guys are joined by the scientist who led the Human Genome Project and, more recently, the Director of the National Institutes of Health. Epistemological humility is key to public policy and science, the laboratory is a cathedral, the future of medicine looks wildly different thanks to unique gene based treatments, and there's COVID blame to go around. Come for the faith and science, stick around for the pandemic conversation, don't miss the journalist correcting the historian on Martin Luther.