In this episode, I talk with Dr. Andy Cooper, co-founder of the Helios School of Esoteric Sciences. Andy got into magic via NLP - a technique that he explains and that the school uses. We also discuss the nature of magic, why initiation sometimes appears to cause personal life chaos and how the Helios approach may minimize such issues before focusing on why he co-founded Helios and what makes it different.

If you are interested in the Helios School of Esoteric Sciences, please visit it at www.helios-school.com. You are free to sign up and take a 30-day trial of the school site and some of its teachings. You can also contact Andy via the school website.

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Intro music - It's not right by G. Michael Vasey
Outro music - It's my Life by G. Michael Vasey

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