Greetings to the Living. Thanks for tuning in and supporting the Up Is Down podcast. In this episode I talk with producer and regular human, Katheryn, about her escape from Italy with her fiancee during the first wave of Coronavirus in February 2020, and their experience in the early days of the government response to the virus. We get to this story after catching up with recent developments in the "pandemic of the unvaxxed".

Later Kathryn shares her experience growing up with a father more like Bill Cooper and Ted Kaczynski than Ward Cleaver, and the backfiring that can occur when the truth of how the world works is part of household conversation during her formative years.
Spoiler Alert: It's not always a good idea or effective to pound the "truth" into the minds of children, as you'll hear in her telling.

Finally, we discuss the risks and rewards, benefits and consequences of starting new chapters in your life.

This was a great conversation and I think it's helpful to hear boots on the ground reporting from regular people. Katheryn and Paul are wonderful people and new friends in my life and I can't wait to hear more from them. This episode provides some valuable first hand perspective that I think is more useful than echo chamber polarization. I hope you think so too.

***Executive Producer Ep 102***
Amy T.
***Associative Exec. Producer***
Chris Jerome

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The Toolbox Fallacy:
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