This episode features the recording of the live talk held between Mariana Pestana, the curator of the 5th Istanbul Design Biennial and Ben Thorp Brown, the creator of the film Cura, screened during the biennial within the scope of the Empathy Sessions. The talk focuses on the film which uses a tortoise embodying the ancient goddess of care, Cura, as its main protagonist and which brings to life the principles developed by the Austrian-American architect Richard Neutra, who saw architecture as a therapeutic tool.