Looking for answers to my questions about 'masculinity', 'rites of passage' and 'growing up', I was sent in the direction of today's guest - David Schofield.

I'm delighted to say I'm already benefiting from David's practical and down-to-earth 'Men On Purpose (enabling men to build a business and impact the world)' programme, but in this fascinating conversation, I discover that his work reaches far beyond the contemporary 'masculinity' conversation.

Although an articulate and insightful commentator on all of the issues for which I tracked him down, it seems David has a more overwhelming agenda. He's up for making the world a better place through clearly-intentioned and practical action, by all who are interested in what I see as a 'world that works'.

We do look at the 'P'-word, Patriarchy, in our conversation and how men might grow up and serve their communities as much, if not more than, they serve themselves.

It was a delight to discover that his work owns and transcends the male shadow, but doesn't get stuck there. The 'Ethical Organiser', as he calls himself is in service to all - in recognition of what unites and motivates us, rather than what divides and undermines.

There is a new and unlikely rite of passage that we also discuss, as well as talking about how David has tied his experience and insight together into a service, which you can find out more about here: http://ethicalorganiser.org/