Brian interviews David McKinnon. David is a former Canadian diplomat who has been posted to New Delhi, Canberra, Bangkok and, most recently, Colombo, where he served as Canada’s high commissioner to Sri Lanka and Maldives 2017-2022. He talks about the end of Canada's "exorbitant privilege", where a favourable combination of geography and history ultimately led to complacency about our place in the world. The advantages we enjoyed in recent decades seem to be slipping away, and Canadians are feeling the uncertainty and pain, even if they are not always sure of the origin of that discontent. The issue now is how to map a way forward.