In this episode, a journalist and writer who deals with ecology, food safety, politics, culture, labour and social movements, Seçil Türkkan is in conversation with Aydın Erdem, an analyst at the public research company of Konda. They talk about the themes of the 17th Istanbul Biennial and Konda’s most recent research outcomes. Oda Projesi contributes to the episode with sounds that revolve around the question of 'What is a vacation for the subjects of invisible labour?', excerpts from the play 'The Adventures of Venusian Women' by Sevgi Soysal and the archive of 101.7 FM.