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In this conversation, Nic and Ben explore the complexities surrounding celebrity architecture, particularly the challenges architects face when working with high-profile clients who often impose strict confidentiality through NDAs. They discuss how this impacts the architects' ability to showcase their work, the importance of managing client expectations regarding publicity, and the broader implications for the architecture industry. The conversation emphasizes the value of storytelling in architecture, the recruitment challenges posed by confidentiality, and the necessity of finding a balance between client privacy and the promotion of architectural work.