Ven Johnson, Chris Desmond, Paul Doherty, and former Michigan Court of Appeals Judge Amy Ronayne continue the conversation on governmental immunity, including the difficulties plaintiff lawyers face to prove gross negligence and the proximate cause in a case. They also discuss the lawsuit against Oxford Community Schools following the Nov. 30, 2021, shooting at Oxford High School, and how the district has an automatic right of appeal if a judge rules that certain employees will remain as defendants in the civil lawsuit – a rule that was both created and is enforced by the Michigan Supreme Court. They also explain why plaintiffs can’t sue government entities, but can sue government employees under state law.